[Canberrauav] QuadPlane code ready to test

Brucebaxtersolutions brucebaxtersolutions at gmail.com
Mon Dec 28 16:10:42 AEDT 2015

With batteries go for the highest cell count.

The props must spin at a minimum rpm to keep the plane aloft, this is determined by minimum voltage.

The capacity (flying time) is the same watt hours no matter if it's 3 cell 4 amp hour or 4 cell 3 amp hour.

The speed controllers draw approximately the same power from the battery as is delivered to the motor, thereby acting as a "transformer" of sorts converting the higher volts into lower current and keeping the energy (volts X amp X hours) the same.

Net result?
The props can still provide excess lift at battery flat status, thereby avoiding the familiar problem of lack of stability and lift at battery flat status. 

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> On 28 Dec 2015, at 4:22 PM, Jack Pittar <jpittar at bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> Further info: In reading my last post I realize I may have given the wrong
> impression regarding batteries.
> Approximately 80gm of lead was added to make the plane balance where I liked
> it to.
> I used that battery because they are close to what is required, and I have a
> number of them - not because it is the ideal battery.
> Without the lead, I could have used a 6200mAh Zippy compact 3S 40C battery
> at 451gm weight.
> I would prefer to some more flying before deciding if 3S is enough.
> My experience with batteries is limited, so I would leave it to more
> experienced fliers to advise what batteries are most appropriate.
> Jack.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Canberrauav [mailto:canberrauav-bounces at canberrauav.org.au]On
> Behalf Of Jack Pittar
> Sent: Sunday, 27 December 2015 7:38 PM
> To: Andrew Tridgell; SSUAV
> Cc: canberrauav at canberrauav.com
> Subject: Re: [Canberrauav] QuadPlane code ready to test
> That's good news Tridge.
> Sacrificial quadplane status:
> 1. The Firstar has been flown manually with RC only using the Telemaster
> setup on the Taranis.
> 2. It has been painted for visability, white on top surface of wings,
> vertical stab and horizontal stab. I have some orange stick-on material for
> the wingtips.
> 3. The plane Pixhawk from the Vampire has been installed with external
> safety plug, USB connection, and switch. It balances with a 4Ah 3S 60C
> battery.
> 4. Right now I am working out how to program the CC Bec for 5.5 volts, prior
> to firing up and doing the calibrations.
> 5. I have collected all the bits and worked out how I will go about
> installing the quad components. I have decided to do it in virtually the
> same manner as the Vampire, except that the single battery in the fuselage
> will be used for both plane and quad.
> I will be assembling the quad parts this week. Until they are ready, the
> aircraft will be able to flown as a plane. I would like to establish a set
> of parameters for it as an aircraft before converting it to the quadplane.
> Although officially this is the Vampire prototype 3, I think the name
> "Quadstar" would be more recognizable.
> Jack.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Tridgell [mailto:andrew at tridgell.net]
> Sent: Sunday, 27 December 2015 3:16 PM
> Cc: jpittar at bigpond.net.au; canberrauav at canberrauav.com
> Subject: Re: [Canberrauav] QuadPlane code ready to test
>> Sounds great Tridge,
>> We would be keen to test drive your code.
> ok, great, it's ready to test. Don't do the first flight on your most
> valuable plane though!
> It is the same as plane master but with 3 extra modes:
>    mode 17: QSTABILIZE (same as copter stabilize)
>    mode 18: QHOVER (same as copter alt_hold)
>    mode 19: QLOITER (same as copter loiter)
> You'll need to set the FLTMODE* parameters as numeric values as your GCS
> won't understand these values yet.The code assumes a Quad-X frame, with
> the motors on outputs 5 to 8. The normal plane outputs are assumed to be
> on 1 to 4.
> You can transition between any modes, fixed wing or quadplane. The
> transition rules are:
> * if you transition to MANUAL then the quad motors will immediately stop
> * if you transition to any other fixed wing mode then the quad will
>   continue to supply lift and stability in a hover until you reached
>   the ARSPD_FBW_MIN airspeed (or airspeed estimate if no airspeed
>   sensor)
> * once that airspeed is reached the quad motors will slowly drop over
>   Q_TRANSITION_MS milliseconds (default is 5000, so 5 seconds)
> You need to set Q_ENABLE to 1 to enable the QuadPlane functionality. All
> QuadPlane specific parameters start with Q_, so just set Q_* parameters
> as needed (they are very similar to the normal copter parameters). You
> should also set SCHED_LOOP_RATE to 400 so it runs the main loop at
> 400Hz.
> You could also try the Q_ASSIST_SPEED parameter, which can be used to
> give quad assistance in any flight mode except MANUAL. Just set it to
> the airspeed below which you want assistance. You can use that to fly
> around at low speed in FBWA or CRUISE mode for example, or use it for
> assisted takeoff.
> I've tested it in a simulator and it works nicely, but it has never been
> tried on a real aircraft. Let me know if you give it a go!
> The code is here:
>  https://github.com/tridge/ardupilot/tree/quadplane-wip
> Cheers, Tridge

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